God first or man first?

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Some people say that man created God.
They think that religion is something that people create.
Such people try to estimate God on a human level.

Man is God like.

A former second-generation JW said "My honest feeling is that I don't want to look to God for fallible human traits. I can't be in awe of such a god... "

Such reasoning is upside down.

Life wasn't passed on by the child to the parent, was it?
It was handed down from the parents.

The child's nature didn't become the parent's nature, did it?
The nature of the parents was passed on to the child.
The parent is at the source and the child is downstream.

It is not that God is like man, but that man is like God.
Therefore, God is not human like, but man is divine like. Humans have the taste of God, not the other way around.

He is the source of life, thought, fairness, joy, anger, sorrow and pleasure. We are like Him, not the other way around.

Man was created in God's image.


God does not change.

It is not God Himself but His children, His creatures, who have broken the harmony and joy of His perfect order. Our Heavenly Father, the unchanging YHWH God, is the one who is cleaning up the mess.

There is one crucial difference between God and his creatures.
There is something that belongs to creation that is not in God.
What is it?

It is the beginning of life.

So what does it mean to be "without beginning"?
It means existence itself.

God exists from eternal to eternal, and therefore incapable of change. So, God's attractive nature such as truth, love, wisdom, justice, and power won't be altered.

Ex 3:14
14 And God told Moses:
I am The Being! Just tell the children of IsraEl that The Being has sent you.’

Jas 1:17
17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the [celestial] lights, and with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow.

Mal 3:6
6 “For I am YHWH; I have not changed.

Pr 12:19
19 It is the lip of truth that will be firmly established forever, but the tongue of falsehood will be only as long as a moment.

Ps 119:160
160 The substance of your word is truth,

Ps 3:15
15 . . . O YHWH the God of truth.

YHWH is said to be the "God of Truth," an eternal being whose substance never degenerates.

What about God's children (His creatures)?

Since the children of God are made in the image of God, they are given the potential to cultivate God's attractive qualities, truth, love, wisdom, justice, and power to the same level as God.

Why was so much potential given to them?
Because the children of God can also be unalterable beings. God loved His children that way and brought them forth with immeasurable wisdom.

Nevertheless, unlike God, the children of God, who have a beginning, need time and experience to become unchanging like God.

For God Himself, no such time and experience is needed, because He Himself is such a being for all eternity. Everything that is good, true, beautiful, right, and perfectly balanced comes from God, and there is nothing lacking in God.

As the inheritors of these good things, the children of God are born according to the image of God. The responsibility for perverting the image of God lies with those who become self-centered and deviate from or defile the image of God themselves.

If such self deterioration is humanity, such humanity is not found in God.

De 32:4-5
4 The Rock, perfect is his activity,
For all his ways are justice.
A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice;
Righteous and upright is he.
5 They have acted ruinously on their own part;
They are not his children, the defect is their own
.
A generation crooked and twisted!

The existing world of Satan is the world of apostates, whose very existence hurts the heart of God and brings unspeakable pain and sorrow to many of God's children (Adam's descendants).

Foreseeing this, YHWH God promised the salvation of all mankind when Adam and Eve sinned. In time, all will be made right, as God promised, and all will enjoy the glorious freedom of children of God.

Ro 8:20-21
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will but through him that subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God.

This is the hope that the Bible offers, and the Watchtower fails to teach God correctly. The victims of the Pharisee and Spartan education of the Watchtower bogus organization have little understanding of God. So it is natural to become an atheist.

Therefore, it is obvious that the Watchtower phony priesthood organization serves the will of the devil.

Which comes first?

Which comes first, desire or ability?
If you have a desire, can you develop the ability to think?
If you want to fly, can you grow wings?
Do all women who want to be beautiful get what they want? In the future, though, when God restores the broken genes, everything will be perfectly balanced and good-looking.  

Would ability produce willingness to do it?
Would willingness produce ability?


How on earth can an inanimate object like a stone develop the desire and ability to become a living being?

To me, it seems that we have already been given a high degree of potential that is easily described by the word instinct, like Language acquisition potential, quantitative measurement potential of phenomena, spatial cognition potential, self-cognition potential, potential to infer cause and effect, and many other potentials.

These potentials didn't develop on their own, not to mention, time didn't produce them, did it?

1Co 4:7
7 For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as though you did not receive [it]?

Where in the world does potential come from?

Can you dare to say you developed your frontal lobe on your own.
And that you'll continue to develop it?
Can that be true?
That's a lack of observation and reasoning skills.


I think the potential is given to us from the beginning.
A stone does not have such potential.


Crows only have the potential to be crows, don't they?
A mouse is a mouse.
A lion is a lion.
A dog is a dog.
A cat is a cat.
Each animal has a different potential. (Although they all share some basic potentials.)

Human potential is infinite, isn't it?
Only humans can be aware of and reason about infinity.


Humans and animals are capable of producing offspring, but people who simply claim that they developed this mechanism on their own are too short-sighted. The same is true for those who say that it happened naturally. They use the word "nature" as if it were also the creator.

That kind of thinking pattern bypasses logical reasoning and short-circuits results and causes, doesn't it? How can you short-sightedly claim that you developed the mechanism to produce the result, or that it came naturally?

Mechanisms and potentials are the product of wisdom, understanding, and power. Whose? Your own? Nature's?

A stone, an animal, or a computer would not be able to make such things happen.

Who is responsible for the wisdom, balance, and precise operating mechanisms of nature that atheists often speak of?

He 3:4
4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God.

theory of evolution

It seems that people who put all the activities on earth (humans and other living things) under the term "nature" are the so-called evolutionists!

My mother made pancakes.
Mom's pancakes are delicious.
Thank you Mom.

Evolutionist: Delicious pancakes were made naturally. Thank you nature. I'll eat it.

Your father made a toy.
Dad's toy is fun.
Thank you Dad.

Evolutionist: Fun toys are made by nature. Thank you nature.

Wikipedia What does scientific method mean?
The scientific method is an empirical method of acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century. It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation. It involves formulating hypotheses, via induction, based on such observations; experimental and measurement-based testing of deductions drawn from the hypotheses; and refinement (or elimination) of the hypotheses based on the experimental findings. These are principles of the scientific method, as distinguished from a definitive series of steps applicable to all scientific enterprises.[1][2][3]

Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, the underlying process is frequently the same from one field to another. The process in the scientific method involves making conjectures (hypotheses), deriving predictions from them as logical consequences, and then carrying out experiments or empirical observations based on those predictions.[4][5] A hypothesis is a conjecture, based on knowledge obtained while seeking answers to the question. The hypothesis might be very specific, or it might be broad. Scientists then test hypotheses by conducting experiments or studies. A scientific hypothesis must be falsifiable, implying that it is possible to identify a possible outcome of an experiment or observation that conflicts with predictions deduced from the hypothesis; otherwise, the hypothesis cannot be meaningfully tested.[6]

The purpose of an experiment is to determine whether observations agree with or conflict with the predictions derived from a hypothesis.[7] Experiments can take place anywhere from a garage to CERN's Large Hadron Collider. There are difficulties in a formulaic statement of method, however. Though the scientific method is often presented as a fixed sequence of steps, it represents rather a set of general principles.[8] Not all steps take place in every scientific inquiry (nor to the same degree), and they are not always in the same order.[9][10]

DICTIONARY.COM scientific method
An orderly technique of investigation that is supposed to account for scientific progress. The method consists of the following steps: (1) Careful observations of nature. (2) Deduction of natural laws. (3) Formation of hypotheses — generalizations of those laws to previously unobserved phenomena. (4) Experimental or observational testing of the validity of the predictions thus made. Actually, scientific discoveries rarely occur in this idealized, wholly rational, and orderly fashion.



I wonder which is more scientific. Evolution or creationism?

A vast amount of time has produced the countless life we have now, and the highest human intelligence (the human brain).

Is this claim by evolutionists really logical and demonstrable?

First of all, it cannot be observed because there is no one who can observe vast amounts of time. The claim is no more than a self-serving inference. Even if we observe the phenomena that exist now, the increase in order is nowhere to be seen unless such a program or potential is in place in the first place. Evolutionists are throwing away origins of existing programs and potential which can be seen living beings, into edge of eternity, shutting off logical and tracking thoughts. Instead of systematically investigating and pondering things one by one based on observation in pursuit of the cause until it is determined, they suddenly conclude that "eternal time has gradually made it so.

It's not scientific at all.
It's a superstition.
Okay, so that's why evolutionists like to worship nature.

creationism

Creationists believe that wisdom, understanding, and power, countless lives and the highest human intelligence (the human brain) are all planned, designed, and created by the first cause.

This claim is logical and empirical, isn't it?
It's observed all around us all the time, and the world is full of evidence of its claims. Nothing happens without the deliberate and intelligent work of someone or something. It is always and everywhere observed that things arise when there is an intellectual impetus from someone or something.

I left home at 8:00 a.m. to go to work.
There was no one at home.
I came home at 5:30 pm.
The room was in the same condition and nothing had changed.
Oh no! When I looked closely, I saw that the balcony window was open.
That's strange. I closed it and went out.
Aah! The bankbook I had in the drawer was gone.


That's what happened naturally in the last nine hours in my absence. I had no choice. People who reason this way are "genius idiots".

Time, whether it is one hour or ∞ hours, does not cause anything unless it is programmed to do so. In this case, everyone would infer that he was robbed.

The intentions of the thief, the intellectual workings of the thief, produced the results. Everything that happens around us is the result of someone's (some creature's) intentions and intellectual work.

It is logical and empirical to think that way.
So, if a crime has been committed, the pursuit of the culprit begins.

This is because it is obvious that the cause is not an abstract concept like nature, but something real is involved. So, rather than creationism being lacking in evidence for proof, nature is full of evidence that speaks to the existence of the first cause. The only one who could misread the evidence would be the genius idiot and those who have been brainwashed by Freemason's pseudo science.

Ro 1:19-20
19 because what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. 20 For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;

Ps 19:1
1 The heavens are declaring the glory of God;
And of the work of his hands the expanse is telling.

bonus

Human scientists' attempts to combine human knowledge to create life, or to create robots that self-program like humans, are proof that someone's intellectual action creates (produces) life and human brain functions, and proof of the fallacy of the silly claim that abstract concepts like time produce things.

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I became a Christian being baptized in 1972. Since then, I was a Jehovah's Witnesses for about 40 years.

When I was an elder, I was removed from the eldership of the congregation because I took a position that differed from the policy of the Watchtower Society.

Many years of life as a Jehovah's Witnesses I have experienced a discord between the style of worship of the Watch Tower Society and the teachings of Christ. So, using the Internet I began investigating the Watchtower Society from its beginning.

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